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***pw01*** · 12-Nov-2018, 05:46 PM

Please help in starting Tidal on Snakeoil.
After the mpd the system sounds great, I need Tidal.
I tried to configure it, but unfortunately I can not.
Snakeoil Firmware - 1.1.1
I configured the snakeoil as on the attached screenshot.

In upmpdcli.conf I have put 3 entries:
tidaluser=xxxx
tidalpass=xxxx
tidalquality=lossless

When I publish the BubbleUPnP disc in Tidal's apk, unfortunately there is nothing in Bubble.
I'm writing a message about a non-configured Tidal account.
In BubbleUPnP, of course, the rander is set to UpMpd and library on MinimServer [hpt5741].

What am I doing wrong?? Please help me start Tidal.
Without Tidal, I can not imagine my life.

PS: It would be good to write a tutorial on the configuration of Tidal in Snakeoil.
Many users would be grateful.

***agent_kith*** · 12-Nov-2018, 09:22 PM

I am concentrating on working on Tidal (and hopefully Qobuz) for MPD for the next release. Once I have a working version I will post up something in the manual. Hope can have you patience :thanks:. At the moment in the midst of upgrading the network for my home lab - to make things easier for development work.

Once the network config is finished I will work proper on Update #2.

***Evach*** · 24-Nov-2018, 06:34 PM

Oh yes, the possibilty to stream Tidal with snakeoilOS would be a dream!
I am really impressed by the SQ of your linux distribution with MPD player v17 on my top level system (Goldmund, Grand cru audio), better than tinyMPD (a nice performance) and much better than Daphile and others...
If you can add this functionnality directly with MPD, it will be an huge step for your distribution! (for your information, it seems TinyMPD use bubbleUPNP server to add UPNP possibility, afterward it is easy with a control point like Mconnect/bubbleUPNP to have access to TIDAL, QOBUZ, and various clouds)
Finally, the overpriced ROON will be kicked in the ass with your job, for sure Wink

Many thanks!

***agent_kith*** · 24-Nov-2018, 08:33 PM

(24-Nov-2018, 06:34 PM)Evach Wrote: Oh yes, the possibilty to stream Tidal with snakeoilOS would be a dream!
I am really impressed by the SQ of your linux distribution with MPD player v17 on my top level system (Goldmund, Grand cru audio), better than tinyMPD (a nice performance) and much better than Daphile and others...
If you can add this functionnality directly with MPD, it will be an huge step for your distribution! (for your information, it seems TinyMPD use bubbleUPNP server to add UPNP possibility, afterward it is easy with a control point like Mconnect/bubbleUPNP to have access to TIDAL, QOBUZ, and various clouds)
Finally, the overpriced ROON will be kicked in the ass with your job, for sure

Many thanks!

Tidal and Qobuz support in MPD will only be available in v20.

v18 and v19 was inferior to v17 in SQ but I think I can't pick the difference between v17 and v20 then (tested 1 or 2 years ago now so things may have changed). Hopefully can get working on U2 soon, revamping my home network is really a lot more difficult (and tedious) then anticipated.

Hope I can have your patience. Once all this infrastructure is cleaned up, things will be way way more streamlined then.

***Evach*** · 27-Nov-2018, 04:40 AM

No problem, we can understand of course!
But you mention the native installation of MPDv20+upmpdcli in your manual, have we missed something? I have tried to connect MPDv20 as upnp without any succes.

***agent_kith*** · 27-Nov-2018, 08:19 AM

(27-Nov-2018, 04:40 AM)Evach Wrote: `No problem, we can understand of course!
But you mention the native installation of MPDv20+upmpdcli in your manual, have we missed something? I have tried to connect MPDv20 as upnp without any succes.

upmpdcli is not installed by default. Click the Snakeoil menu and you can install upmpdcli from the Ubuntu repoisitory. Or SSH into the system and run:

Code:
sudo apt-get install upmpdcli

Once updmpdcli is installed, you should see a new select option "mpd+upmpdcli" under player server.

***Evach*** · (This post was last modified: 27-Nov-2018, 07:59 PM by Evach.)

Yes, it works!! Funny thing, i have "upmpd" option under "server" and also under "client", and both works trough upnp and mpd. There is any difference? I have already minimserver on my nas, it is better to choose "client" option?

Another point, cherry on the cake, we have access to TIDAL MQA stream with Mconnect control point: http://www.conversdigital.com/kor/product/product03.php
I cannot verify what is transfert to my dac (i don't have inputs information visible), but Mconnect indicate "24bit 48kHz 1744Kbps for MQA Original 192kHz" which is not bad and the usual conversion for non-MQA dac.
Frankly speaking, i am not sure it was a major improvement compare to classical 16/44.1 stream, MQA streams have a compression and there is a necessary conversion at the end. But never the less, Tidal works and snakeoilOS is open to the entire musical world.

Just to share about music, i dig actually in the fabulous jazz/modern catalog of http://www.gondwanarecords.com/artists, gogo penguin, mammal hands, portico quartet, very impressive ;-)

***agent_kith*** · 28-Nov-2018, 09:15 PM

(27-Nov-2018, 07:33 PM)Evach Wrote: Yes, it works!! Funny thing, i have "upmpd" option under "server" and also under "client", and both works trough upnp and mpd. There is any difference? I have already minimserver on my nas, it is better to choose "client" option?

They are the same. There are some circumstances where upmpd will appear under client (one of the players will do t his), that's the limitation of the Snakeoil GUI at the moment. It's something I am going to work on to improve in the future. i.e. no distinction of client/server - just select the players you want to start, and they'd start it all up.

That change should make it a lot better (hopefully).

(27-Nov-2018, 07:33 PM)Evach Wrote: Another point, cherry on the cake, we have access to TIDAL MQA stream with Mconnect control point: http://www.conversdigital.com/kor/product/product03.php
I cannot verify what is transfert to my dac (i don't have inputs information visible), but Mconnect indicate "24bit 48kHz 1744Kbps for MQA Original 192kHz" which is not bad and the usual conversion for non-MQA dac.
Frankly speaking, i am not sure it was a major improvement compare to classical 16/44.1 stream, MQA streams have a compression and there is a necessary conversion at the end. But never the less, Tidal works and snakeoilOS is open to the entire musical world.

Just to share about music, i dig actually in the fabulous jazz/modern catalog of http://www.gondwanarecords.com/artists, gogo penguin, mammal hands, portico quartet, very impressive ;-)

Maybe that's the "first unfold"? Interested to know more about MQA but alas don't really have the setup for it yet. This codec is so dividing, and there are so many "experts" on the Internet saying how bad it is and so on.. Yet the funny thing is - how can these people already be experts when there isn't really any content easily available to make any proper evaluations? LOL

***Evach*** · (This post was last modified: 29-Nov-2018, 06:03 AM by Evach.)

You are right ;-) Compare some devices/setups with our ears, with our systems (and be aware about their limitations and perception bias). Some listenings of big and well set sytems help to know what is possible to obtain in terms of SQ, and stop loosing our time with unimportant details.
In my case, after somes tests between Tidal MQA stream and Tidal FLAC stream of same songs, difficult to say what is better... MQA is not an huge improvement in my setup for sure, i can live without easily ;-) But of course, if a way is clearly identified to optimize HD MQA stream, it will be cool!